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		<title>By: ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, i&#039;m 2 months pregnant and a solo parent i want to work but no company here in our country accept pregnant women...i am a degree holder, i&#039;ve been working before as an accounting clerk and then a call center agent..where do can i ask help...thanks and more power..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, i&#8217;m 2 months pregnant and a solo parent i want to work but no company here in our country accept pregnant women&#8230;i am a degree holder, i&#8217;ve been working before as an accounting clerk and then a call center agent..where do can i ask help&#8230;thanks and more power..</p>
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		<title>By: Miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi... This is a fairly interesting topic, and if I may, I would just like to express some of the things that are happening in some schools through the experience of friends and relatives alike...

There are schools and catholic universities that do not expel unmarried pregnant students and there are those that do. However, I believe that these things are taken on a case to case basis. For example, Catholic schools may require the female student to wed her partner in exchange for continuing school that semester, especially if the student/s involved are open to such arrangements -- with parental consent, of course. If in any case that the student is not amenable to this condition, then another option is set that requires the student to go on leave for such time -- go to classes while her &quot;tummy&quot; still doesn&#039;t show, and when it does start to show, take a leave for the rest of the semester and come back after giving birth.

Many of the Catholic schools now follow some sort of arrangement just like that mentioned above, and I praise these schools for the understanding they give to the student, as there is still a &quot;Christianity&quot; in their actions towards the person involved. However, I also agree that those schools who do not even give a single consideration to these kids be condemned, as they really are doing more harm that helping the student by denying her the capacity to provide a better life for her and her child... 

There are and should be limitations and standards set - YES, of course - but it should not mean that we can just start discriminating against other women - especially with the kind of generation that we have now.  Women in this case is only half - even a fourth of the problem. It always takes two to tango, so what of their partners? Shouldn&#039;t they carry the burden together? And what of the academic system? The parents? There will always be some sort of liability to all parties involved and  affected, but in this battle, it is the soon-to-be mother and her child that is left to suffer - which should not be the case...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&#8230; This is a fairly interesting topic, and if I may, I would just like to express some of the things that are happening in some schools through the experience of friends and relatives alike&#8230;</p>
<p>There are schools and catholic universities that do not expel unmarried pregnant students and there are those that do. However, I believe that these things are taken on a case to case basis. For example, Catholic schools may require the female student to wed her partner in exchange for continuing school that semester, especially if the student/s involved are open to such arrangements &#8212; with parental consent, of course. If in any case that the student is not amenable to this condition, then another option is set that requires the student to go on leave for such time &#8212; go to classes while her &#8220;tummy&#8221; still doesn&#8217;t show, and when it does start to show, take a leave for the rest of the semester and come back after giving birth.</p>
<p>Many of the Catholic schools now follow some sort of arrangement just like that mentioned above, and I praise these schools for the understanding they give to the student, as there is still a &#8220;Christianity&#8221; in their actions towards the person involved. However, I also agree that those schools who do not even give a single consideration to these kids be condemned, as they really are doing more harm that helping the student by denying her the capacity to provide a better life for her and her child&#8230; </p>
<p>There are and should be limitations and standards set &#8211; YES, of course &#8211; but it should not mean that we can just start discriminating against other women &#8211; especially with the kind of generation that we have now.  Women in this case is only half &#8211; even a fourth of the problem. It always takes two to tango, so what of their partners? Shouldn&#8217;t they carry the burden together? And what of the academic system? The parents? There will always be some sort of liability to all parties involved and  affected, but in this battle, it is the soon-to-be mother and her child that is left to suffer &#8211; which should not be the case&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce Talag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce Talag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 12:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jodi, this is not the first time I have heard of a Philippine company that discriminates against solo parents. Just to let you know, our laws prohibit this kind of discrimination as provided by Section 7 of the Republic Act 8972 or Solo Parents&#039; Welfare Act:

Work Discrimination. - No employer shall discriminate against any solo parent employee with respect to terms and conditions of employment on account of his/her status.

This should apply to all employment decisions that include hiring applicants.

You may read the full-text of RA 8972 here: http://www.chanrobles.com/republicactno8972.htm

More stuff to read at: http://singleparentphilippines.blogspot.com

Feel free to send me a message via @joycetalag on Twitter if you need help.


All the best,
Joyce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi, this is not the first time I have heard of a Philippine company that discriminates against solo parents. Just to let you know, our laws prohibit this kind of discrimination as provided by Section 7 of the Republic Act 8972 or Solo Parents&#8217; Welfare Act:</p>
<p>Work Discrimination. &#8211; No employer shall discriminate against any solo parent employee with respect to terms and conditions of employment on account of his/her status.</p>
<p>This should apply to all employment decisions that include hiring applicants.</p>
<p>You may read the full-text of RA 8972 here: <a href="http://www.chanrobles.com/republicactno8972.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.chanrobles.com/republicactno8972.htm</a></p>
<p>More stuff to read at: <a href="http://singleparentphilippines.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://singleparentphilippines.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>Feel free to send me a message via @joycetalag on Twitter if you need help.</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Joyce</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi Chua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi Chua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a 20 years old, unwed and pregnant. I am about to graduate from school in a few weeks. I recently applied for a job in a multinational company. I have already passed all the job interviews and during the last interview, it was mentioned that I may work right after graduation. After the interview, the medical test was next. The clinic nurse told me that my pre-employment is now put on pending (she said most likely I won&#039;t continue to be employed) because they found out that I am pregnant and unwed. Is this act lawful? Do they have the right to discriminate me due to my pregnancy? Please help. I read in some websites that the US has a law against discrimination against pregnant women (during the hiring process) but I am not sure if we have a similar law here in the Philippines. I am not yet formally employed (no contracts have been signed yet). If someone can help me, please do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 20 years old, unwed and pregnant. I am about to graduate from school in a few weeks. I recently applied for a job in a multinational company. I have already passed all the job interviews and during the last interview, it was mentioned that I may work right after graduation. After the interview, the medical test was next. The clinic nurse told me that my pre-employment is now put on pending (she said most likely I won&#8217;t continue to be employed) because they found out that I am pregnant and unwed. Is this act lawful? Do they have the right to discriminate me due to my pregnancy? Please help. I read in some websites that the US has a law against discrimination against pregnant women (during the hiring process) but I am not sure if we have a similar law here in the Philippines. I am not yet formally employed (no contracts have been signed yet). If someone can help me, please do.</p>
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		<title>By: odette</title>
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		<dc:creator>odette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 04:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about women in the service., military in particular., can they have thier own child out of marriage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about women in the service., military in particular., can they have thier own child out of marriage?</p>
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		<title>By: Marysia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expelling a single pregnant or postpartum mother from her education is a violation of human rights, period.  It is also, worldwide, a significant cause of abortion, which denies any rights the fetus/unborn child may have, too.

No one has the right to discriminate against women &amp; children this way. especially a religious institution that professes respect for life. This is highly disrespectful towards *both* lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expelling a single pregnant or postpartum mother from her education is a violation of human rights, period.  It is also, worldwide, a significant cause of abortion, which denies any rights the fetus/unborn child may have, too.</p>
<p>No one has the right to discriminate against women &#038; children this way. especially a religious institution that professes respect for life. This is highly disrespectful towards *both* lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Juliana Rincon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juliana Rincon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrea!  
Definitely this is a topic that benefits from the Devil&#039;s Advocate, if you will.

So far, any academic institution has the right to decide which students they receive and which ones they don&#039;t. For example, male only (or female only) schools exclude the other gender from education in their institution, and although it could be considered segregation and discrimination, they continue to do so, allegedly to benefit their target group. It is so common, it is accepted.  

What is the difference then? That we seem to believe it to be OK to refuse entry to a woman in an all-male school as long as there is an alternative nearby with similar education level. Also that there is no stigma attached to not being admitted at an all-male school if you are a girl, or vice-versa.  However, I believe that the Academic Freedom wouldn&#039;t hold if the only school in a village or community were an all male or all female school.  

When schools establish their code of conduct, they can include behaviors which would result in being expelled: stealing, cheating, violence, and others. To me, this would be their academic freedom.  These rules would affect both males and females in the institutions. However, being expelled due to pregnancy, would only affect the female, and would be considered discrimination.  I think that this is when Academic Freedom has to bow down to constitutional rights.  

Being expelled due to pregnancy would stigmatize the student when other academic options are considered. If expelled in the middle of the semester, what options would a student have to enroll in another program in another school? A few months would make all the difference if she would be able to finish her education before having the baby. 

If an unwed female asked for admittance in a Catholic School, would she be accepted?  What would happen to a girl who was expelled from a school on account of being pregnant, would she be able to find alternative means of education? Or would being expelled from a school because she is pregnant  mean she would be outside of the educational system? What about when the baby is born, would she be allowed then to enroll in an educational institution?  

I think that academic freedom is an option to institutions when students have other means of receiving an education. However, when their decision would mean that the student would be left outside of the system, I think that&#039;s when other rights override that freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrea!<br />
Definitely this is a topic that benefits from the Devil&#8217;s Advocate, if you will.</p>
<p>So far, any academic institution has the right to decide which students they receive and which ones they don&#8217;t. For example, male only (or female only) schools exclude the other gender from education in their institution, and although it could be considered segregation and discrimination, they continue to do so, allegedly to benefit their target group. It is so common, it is accepted.  </p>
<p>What is the difference then? That we seem to believe it to be OK to refuse entry to a woman in an all-male school as long as there is an alternative nearby with similar education level. Also that there is no stigma attached to not being admitted at an all-male school if you are a girl, or vice-versa.  However, I believe that the Academic Freedom wouldn&#8217;t hold if the only school in a village or community were an all male or all female school.  </p>
<p>When schools establish their code of conduct, they can include behaviors which would result in being expelled: stealing, cheating, violence, and others. To me, this would be their academic freedom.  These rules would affect both males and females in the institutions. However, being expelled due to pregnancy, would only affect the female, and would be considered discrimination.  I think that this is when Academic Freedom has to bow down to constitutional rights.  </p>
<p>Being expelled due to pregnancy would stigmatize the student when other academic options are considered. If expelled in the middle of the semester, what options would a student have to enroll in another program in another school? A few months would make all the difference if she would be able to finish her education before having the baby. </p>
<p>If an unwed female asked for admittance in a Catholic School, would she be accepted?  What would happen to a girl who was expelled from a school on account of being pregnant, would she be able to find alternative means of education? Or would being expelled from a school because she is pregnant  mean she would be outside of the educational system? What about when the baby is born, would she be allowed then to enroll in an educational institution?  </p>
<p>I think that academic freedom is an option to institutions when students have other means of receiving an education. However, when their decision would mean that the student would be left outside of the system, I think that&#8217;s when other rights override that freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: manangbok</title>
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		<dc:creator>manangbok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Andrea for pointing out one of the reasons why the law in the Philippines when it comes to protecting pregnant unmarried women from being discriminated against in  Catholic-run schools.  Academic freedom trumps women&#039;s rights in this country. Quite sad, when you think about it, because the term &quot;academic freedom&quot; is so vague when compared to women&#039;s rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Andrea for pointing out one of the reasons why the law in the Philippines when it comes to protecting pregnant unmarried women from being discriminated against in  Catholic-run schools.  Academic freedom trumps women&#8217;s rights in this country. Quite sad, when you think about it, because the term &#8220;academic freedom&#8221; is so vague when compared to women&#8217;s rights.</p>
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		<title>By: andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops--to add, about livelihood/employment, though, there&#039;s hope. there isn&#039;t as much of a legal obstacle as with schools. the government can generally regulate/require employers to not do this or that. so discrimination on the basis of being unmarried and pregnant will probably be easy to enforce. that&#039;s better than nothing. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8211;to add, about livelihood/employment, though, there&#8217;s hope. there isn&#8217;t as much of a legal obstacle as with schools. the government can generally regulate/require employers to not do this or that. so discrimination on the basis of being unmarried and pregnant will probably be easy to enforce. that&#8217;s better than nothing. <img src='http://www.conversationsforabetterworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi joyce! the problem is that there is no legal &#039;right to education&#039; per se. and although there is a &#039;right to livelihood,&#039; it&#039;s been conveniently buried under a lot of legal qualifications. i hate to be legalistic here, but i&#039;m afraid there&#039;s a very real possibility that all this will ultimately boil down to legalese, in our country. and if it&#039;s not enforced legally, then the magna carta will become just yet another meaningless, empty law.

unfortunately, the State can&#039;t dictate what religious orders do with their schools. (and we can bet that those schools WILL fight back!) even if it&#039;s against Christian values... well, honestly, there&#039;s so much that religious people do that&#039;s clearly against Christian values that i just wouldn&#039;t be surprised anymore. :p (i suppose you heard of the strong-arm tactics they used against the QC councilors who finally instituted RH rights a while ago. :p)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi joyce! the problem is that there is no legal &#8216;right to education&#8217; per se. and although there is a &#8216;right to livelihood,&#8217; it&#8217;s been conveniently buried under a lot of legal qualifications. i hate to be legalistic here, but i&#8217;m afraid there&#8217;s a very real possibility that all this will ultimately boil down to legalese, in our country. and if it&#8217;s not enforced legally, then the magna carta will become just yet another meaningless, empty law.</p>
<p>unfortunately, the State can&#8217;t dictate what religious orders do with their schools. (and we can bet that those schools WILL fight back!) even if it&#8217;s against Christian values&#8230; well, honestly, there&#8217;s so much that religious people do that&#8217;s clearly against Christian values that i just wouldn&#8217;t be surprised anymore. :p (i suppose you heard of the strong-arm tactics they used against the QC councilors who finally instituted RH rights a while ago. :p)</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce Talag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce Talag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrea: Thanks for pointing out what could be the legal argument of the &quot;religious-run schools.&quot;

But I dunno, would this academic freedom mean or at least, give permission for such schools to violate children&#039;s right to education and single mothers&#039; right to livelihood? If so, then this is totally alienating and as said, very much contrary to Christian values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrea: Thanks for pointing out what could be the legal argument of the &#8220;religious-run schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I dunno, would this academic freedom mean or at least, give permission for such schools to violate children&#8217;s right to education and single mothers&#8217; right to livelihood? If so, then this is totally alienating and as said, very much contrary to Christian values.</p>
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		<title>By: andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, thank you for creating a forum for discussion! :)

please allow me to play devil&#039;s advocate (as i am personally an almost-rabid advocate of reproductive health and rights :) and argue &quot;academic freedom.&quot; it&#039;s a virtually arbitrary and much abused term, but in a court of law here--where these unhappy disputes often end up, because disputants will rarely just compromise on controversial matters like this--academic freedom will likely be treated as inviolate.  unlike women&#039;s rights to equality (of opportunity and others), academic freedom is a right enshrined in our Constitution that our courts uphold more often than not.  it encompasses the right of a school (quite independent of the actual quality of their education, hehehe) to choose &quot;who shall teach, whom to teach, what and how to teach.&quot;  so that necessarily includes the power to hire and fire teachers and to refuse or grant admission to students. there are guidelines--e.g. procedures must be followed, they must have broken some kind of established rule of conduct--but the guidelines themselves can be just about anything. this is whether or not a school is run by religious.

that said, i think--unless we are going to argue for government intervention in religious-run schools, which would be an interesting and exciting arena for debate in itself--there should instead by more non-sectarian schools put up in the philippines, where supposed religious/moral dogma doesn&#039;t unfairly shape school policies.  there are almost none of these in the private sector. (and those that do exist, e.g. public schools, are sometimes run by religious-minded people anyway, who also discriminate.)  at the moment, it falls to joyce&#039;s and my generation, and perhaps two or three of the generations before us, to put up these schools.

at the moment, i have to admit that i don&#039;t see a viable, realistic, universal argument that could &quot;force&quot; religious-run schools to admit, say, unmarried pregnant students.  but i would fully and loudly support those religious-run schools who don&#039;t allow faith to excuse bigotry and still accord these students the same privileges and rights as all their other students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, thank you for creating a forum for discussion! <img src='http://www.conversationsforabetterworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>please allow me to play devil&#8217;s advocate (as i am personally an almost-rabid advocate of reproductive health and rights <img src='http://www.conversationsforabetterworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  and argue &#8220;academic freedom.&#8221; it&#8217;s a virtually arbitrary and much abused term, but in a court of law here&#8211;where these unhappy disputes often end up, because disputants will rarely just compromise on controversial matters like this&#8211;academic freedom will likely be treated as inviolate.  unlike women&#8217;s rights to equality (of opportunity and others), academic freedom is a right enshrined in our Constitution that our courts uphold more often than not.  it encompasses the right of a school (quite independent of the actual quality of their education, hehehe) to choose &#8220;who shall teach, whom to teach, what and how to teach.&#8221;  so that necessarily includes the power to hire and fire teachers and to refuse or grant admission to students. there are guidelines&#8211;e.g. procedures must be followed, they must have broken some kind of established rule of conduct&#8211;but the guidelines themselves can be just about anything. this is whether or not a school is run by religious.</p>
<p>that said, i think&#8211;unless we are going to argue for government intervention in religious-run schools, which would be an interesting and exciting arena for debate in itself&#8211;there should instead by more non-sectarian schools put up in the philippines, where supposed religious/moral dogma doesn&#8217;t unfairly shape school policies.  there are almost none of these in the private sector. (and those that do exist, e.g. public schools, are sometimes run by religious-minded people anyway, who also discriminate.)  at the moment, it falls to joyce&#8217;s and my generation, and perhaps two or three of the generations before us, to put up these schools.</p>
<p>at the moment, i have to admit that i don&#8217;t see a viable, realistic, universal argument that could &#8220;force&#8221; religious-run schools to admit, say, unmarried pregnant students.  but i would fully and loudly support those religious-run schools who don&#8217;t allow faith to excuse bigotry and still accord these students the same privileges and rights as all their other students.</p>
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		<title>By: Juliana Rincon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juliana Rincon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments! 

SMA, You make an interesting point: prevention should also be a focus of the Catholic organizations, not just the consequences.   

Joyce, thank you for telling us more about your experience, I am glad that you were fortunate and could finish studying.  You also add an aditional detail:  if a Catholic institution expells an unwed pregnant student or employee, that would certainly have a negative impact on her faith.  However, if they, like Rachel Barawid mentions, support the student it would strengthen her faith, which should be the main objective of a Catholic organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments! </p>
<p>SMA, You make an interesting point: prevention should also be a focus of the Catholic organizations, not just the consequences.   </p>
<p>Joyce, thank you for telling us more about your experience, I am glad that you were fortunate and could finish studying.  You also add an aditional detail:  if a Catholic institution expells an unwed pregnant student or employee, that would certainly have a negative impact on her faith.  However, if they, like Rachel Barawid mentions, support the student it would strengthen her faith, which should be the main objective of a Catholic organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce Talag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce Talag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Juliana. Thanks for citing my post in your blog. I like the fact that it&#039;s balanced and that you cited views from different camps.

I was actually studying in a Catholic university when I got pregnant. I remember telling my Theology professor that I cannot join our immersion in an informal settlement because I was afraid that it might not be good for my baby. I had no qualms about telling her. In fact, it just took me about five minutes to state my case and get her permission.

I also agree with Rachel Barawid. If I was expelled because I was pregnant, it would have been very hard for me now. Thankfully, I got to graduate on time and my college education has so far helped me in my professional progress. (My ability to provide for my child&#039;s needs follows.) I may have sinned but I was only able to fully appreciate the Church&#039;s teachings because of the kindness and fairness of parents, employers, teachers and other individuals.

More power to your blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Juliana. Thanks for citing my post in your blog. I like the fact that it&#8217;s balanced and that you cited views from different camps.</p>
<p>I was actually studying in a Catholic university when I got pregnant. I remember telling my Theology professor that I cannot join our immersion in an informal settlement because I was afraid that it might not be good for my baby. I had no qualms about telling her. In fact, it just took me about five minutes to state my case and get her permission.</p>
<p>I also agree with Rachel Barawid. If I was expelled because I was pregnant, it would have been very hard for me now. Thankfully, I got to graduate on time and my college education has so far helped me in my professional progress. (My ability to provide for my child&#8217;s needs follows.) I may have sinned but I was only able to fully appreciate the Church&#8217;s teachings because of the kindness and fairness of parents, employers, teachers and other individuals.</p>
<p>More power to your blog!</p>
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		<title>By: SMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting piece.

Some of the concerns i had were already raised, what about the fathers? it seems everywhere in the world, the father gets away with this, the problem is mostly faced by the woman, but it takes two to tango.

In my opinion, i think the Catholic Church shouldnt have the right to fire or expel unmarried women who are pregnant, with what is going on in the world today we cant ignore sexuality any longer, i think its high time that they include sex education in their curriculum, if it can be prevented why not start with that.

I also agree with causing greater harm to these women by denying them an education/job, then it becomes this vicious cycle. I think we need to step out of this morality thing and look at things from a more holistic point of view, i dont think someone should spend their whole life paying for a mistake ( that&#039;s if the pregnancy was unwanted).

Also the question of abortion, are they not then indirectly promoting abortion? at least if the fetus gets aborted without people&#039;s knowledge then the girl&#039;s education and job is still secured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting piece.</p>
<p>Some of the concerns i had were already raised, what about the fathers? it seems everywhere in the world, the father gets away with this, the problem is mostly faced by the woman, but it takes two to tango.</p>
<p>In my opinion, i think the Catholic Church shouldnt have the right to fire or expel unmarried women who are pregnant, with what is going on in the world today we cant ignore sexuality any longer, i think its high time that they include sex education in their curriculum, if it can be prevented why not start with that.</p>
<p>I also agree with causing greater harm to these women by denying them an education/job, then it becomes this vicious cycle. I think we need to step out of this morality thing and look at things from a more holistic point of view, i dont think someone should spend their whole life paying for a mistake ( that&#8217;s if the pregnancy was unwanted).</p>
<p>Also the question of abortion, are they not then indirectly promoting abortion? at least if the fetus gets aborted without people&#8217;s knowledge then the girl&#8217;s education and job is still secured.</p>
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